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A forum for identifying and avoiding wholly or partially non-authentic wristwatches -- including counterfeit, replica, Frankenwatches and other fake or bastardized pieces. Our objective here is to DISCOURAGE the sales and purchase of counterfeit wristwatch and jewelry products. It is also for helping people identify watches that are mostly authentic, but have been: altered for personal customization, repaired with inappropriate parts or modified to be passed off as more valuable pieces.

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Re: Gotta wonder if it's real with a phoney moveme
In Response To: Gotta wonder if it's real with a phoney movement.. ()

: Meaning that some gray market dealer swaps the
: movement for that ETA and then sells off the
: real for hundreds more than an ETA
: costs.....

Problem with that thinking is.. the movement is not *that* expensive! Remember, most of the value of these watches is in the *jewelry* value -- not the specific parts themselves. As used watch parts, OMEGA movements aren't worth that much more than what someone would have to pay for a compatible movement to swap it with. So there is little money to be made by downgrading the movements in genuine OMEGAs to sell them off separately.

While there is a neat sounding conspiracy theory angle to this, in reality, it just is not a practical solution. For people out to cheat buyers, there is much easier money to be made by just buying and reselling totally fake watches.

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