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A forum for identifying and avoiding wholly or partially non-authentic wristwatches --
including counterfeit, replica, Frankenwatches and other fake or bastardized pieces.
Our objective here is to DISCOURAGE the sales and purchase of counterfeit
wristwatch and jewelry products. It is also for helping people identify
watches that are mostly authentic, but have been: altered for personal customization,
repaired with inappropriate parts or modified to be passed off as more valuable pieces.
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: Hello. I am wanting to start collecting vintage
: watches. Am I misguided to think they are a
: safer bet for not being faked? Is faking a
: relatively new phenomena, or has faking been
: going on forever? Does anyone know how long
: people have been making fakes & can give
: examples of some of the earlier ones?
Hi Brian, to answer your question:
Since the time of famous watchmaker Abraham Louis Breguet (1747-1823) watches were faked. Breguet was forced to sign his watches with a secret signature. It seems to be that more fakes of his watches were built in former times than today. (Translated excerpt of the german book "Wristwatches" by Kahle, Mühe, Brunner, fifth edition 2001, published by Callwey, Munich).
My experience: Start collecting with unknown brands concentrating on the movements. The famous, but often faked, Rolex Cosmograph is fitted with an genuine (refined) Valjoux 72 movement. But you can get perfect watches made by unknown watchmakers with this perfect movement for less. Just my opinion.
Good luck hunting vintage-watches.
Martin
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