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A forum for identifying and avoiding wholly or partially non-authentic wristwatches -- including counterfeit, replica, Frankenwatches and other fake or bastardized pieces. Our objective here is to DISCOURAGE the sales and purchase of counterfeit wristwatch and jewelry products. It is also for helping people identify watches that are mostly authentic, but have been: altered for personal customization, repaired with inappropriate parts or modified to be passed off as more valuable pieces.

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Possible Fake SMP--I passed...

I went to look at a 2531.80 that was advertised for $1050 and only one year old---how could I pass it up? Having owned that model watch for a number of years, the watch looked very real except it had no red dot on the back (there WAS a bluish line that looked like a magic marker), the serial number looked more laser cut than engraved (and the letters were not th same size), and the SN did not match the included pictograph. The bracelet seemed ok, though the brush marks on the end links seemed kinda crude and the "825" really mushed the metal where they stamped it. In addition, the red box said "Made in Thailand" on the bottom and many chunks of the covering were ripped out---it was stuck all over the lining of the outer white box. The usual black & white paperwork was there, yet it all could be faked. There were no "credit cards". I know I could have got it for even less $$, but I did not feel all warm and fuzzy about this. Comments??

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