Thanks Jeff for the reply

What I have noticed is that the 'good guy' dealers in the UK (the ones who sell good watches at realistic prices) are selling less and less heuers especially Monacos mainly because they cannot buy them at decent prices and there is no profit in them for them. I have heard of average manual Monacos asking over $4000. The 1133b I have been looking at have ranged between $3100 - $4000+ but I'm not sure if they would be in the excellent/mint condition (new crystal required, some wear in case and one hasd a slightly deteriorated dial) as I have only seen photos, I have been trying to pay what I think these watches are worth which is close to the reference guide but its getting difficult to find decent 1133bs under $4000 in my experience