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1)will a P0 ever have the colelctible of a
5512, 5513 or a 1680 sub? No probably never
because it is a watch which more the result
of marketing than a true a diver as compared
to the sub. I agree that a PO will probably not have the collectability of early subs, but not for the reasons you cite Georges...

2)I think the facts that the Submariners are far
older watches, that did not enjoy the wide
production or wild popularity that the PO
has enjoyed since it's introduction will
likely have a far greater effect on the
collectablity than a few people's perception
on marketing or lack there of.

3)The "Little Bird's" 1955-1956-1957
T-Birds never sold in high volume. Their
best year, 1957, Ford only sold just over
21,000 examples. The 1958 T-Bird, which was
available side by side through December 1957
sold more in 1958 than the entire 3 year run
of the 2-seater Birds. You know how many
people want a 1958 T-Bird today? Virtually
no one. While the early birds attract a
flock (pardon the pun) of potential buyers
whereever they go.

4)Comparing a vintage Rolex in collectability to
an in production PO is like comparing a
modern Thunderbird to a Classic 2-Seater
Bird. It's not a fair comparision. One can
compare like year to like year or 40th year
performance vs. 40th year performance, but
comparing a new in-production watch vs. a 40
year old vintage watch is not particularly
useful.

5)Plus the coaxial is very far to be a
reference unlike the rolex 15xx, 30xx and
31xx calibres.If we should be so lucky, we'll compare notes in 40 years to see how the PO's collecability fairs in comparision to the Rolex's 40 year marks...

1)The PO was a product made in order to counter attack the sea dweller market. The P0 is not a sea dweller. And the movement is not even modified by Omega but by Eta as the opposite to the Sea Dweller who has the calibre 3135 a proven and very reliable movement since 1988.You know how are generally consider eta 2824-2892a2 powered watches in terms of collectibility and value. They are far to be in the same playground than watches with older inhouse vintage movements or modern watches with inhouse/lemania/piguet movements.A modern Breguet or Blancpain will always have more value than a watch powered by an eta 2892a2 or an eta 2824 or an eta 2836.The sea dweller was tested by the comex since the 70's and it is a true tool watch unlike the PO which is a pure marketing product.

2)No, I disagree here. The sub was launched in 1953 the same year that was launched the Blancpain fifty fathoms (popular in the usmc and the us navy seals where it was sold under the brand tornek-rayville), both were very popular among divers at that time. People who baught them were probably looking for something of higher quality than the competition at that time.

3)Yes the 1958 tbird is often referred as the square bird it became a personal car and killed what was the 55-57 t bird a sports car.

4)Rolex uses the 31xx movment since 1988 which has never known a single problem since its introduction unlike the calibre 1120 and some of the 2500 that have known the problem of sudden stop which tells a lot about the quality of Eta. Even today after many years the Rolex movements perform very well and are considered as far superior to any eta movements. Omega older inhouse movements are also of far better quality than etas and I have not a single doubt about it.Something that lasts and that was never prone to problems tells a lot of the durability and quality of the product.

5)The 2500 is a thinner calibre than the rolex 3135 (introduced in 1988) and the rolex 3035 (introduced in 1977)who both are 28800bph and have the microstella balance. The construction of the 3035 and 3135 is far more robust than the construction of the 2500 and also the rotor jeweled pivot on the rolex movement is far more robust than the ball rotor on the 2500.

There is a difference of product resulting from a marketing hype and something proven through the years with a real feedback and many proofs to back it up.

just my honest opinion.

regards

georges