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The problem isn't that the watch is for sale despite the concerns Heuer enthusiasts have raised over the dial's authenticity, it's that you've gone out of your way to avoid disclosing these concerns you and others have publicly voiced on forums. Because you misrepresented your association with the watch and asked for opinions about it on the MWF and elsewhere, you prompted in-depth and frank opinions from members regarding the dial. They publicly advised you not to purchase the watch due to the dial's questionable legitimacy.
The way you've gone about listing it from one place to another fits the profile of seller trying to avoid scrutiny over the potential sale of a watch that he also believes to not be completely authentic. Listing it on a forum after members advised you not to purchase it would make people question your honesty. This is probably why you've listed it on eBay now. The only reason you disclosed the flawed dial here and now on eBay is because you were called out for not doing so to begin with. Saying you forgot to mention doubt's about the dial in your eBay listing further drives the point you're trying to unload a piece you've little confidence in. What you ask for the watch or accept for it is up to you. Despite that you claim the original seller claims the watch is completely authentic, given the concerns still being raised over the dial and your inconsistent history in trying to unload it- buyer beware or better yet avoid purchasing it all together.
: Hi Garfield,
: I'm sorry if I keep doing something wrong, but I have tried to be
: honest about the dial in my posts and in any of my communication
: with interested members from any source (here, or MWR, or eBay).
: The watch itself is in excellent condition and original, without
: ever having been polished. From what I can tell, it seems to be
: a redial on what is a perfectly good watch. The original owner
: (Ralf B) stands by his assertion that the dial is original but I
: accept that the dial raises many questions. As a result, I have
: tried to be honest in my MWR post about the controversy
: surrounding the dial, and also make this clear to anyone who is
: contacting me about the watch.
: I do not know if you believe that the controversy surrounding the
: dial means I should never sell it to anyone, ever. If someone
: makes an informed decision, that should be acceptable, should it
: not? If you think I am over-pricing, then I would love to know
: what is a reasonable asking price for it given everything we
: know. I will adjust it accordingly. I have tried to reach out to
: ask others about pricing but I've heard anything from 4,000 to
: I just saw and realized that I forgot to copy the bit about the
: dial into my eBay post (as I did in the MWR one) but will do so
: once I get home.
: Let me know if there is anything else you think I should do in
: order to be completely realistic and honest about selling this
: watch -- whether that is my asking price or in the description.
: I'm still new to this and not trying to misrepresent anything,
: and I hope I don't give off that impression. As I said, I will
: update the eBay post to reflect this in a few hours - thanks.