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I want to start off by saying that I was foolish -- when I made the MWF post asking for advice, I hadn't actually purchased the watch -- Instead, I purchased it after the first or second post. As a result, I didn't have the full information before I made my decision (...). I did not misrepresent my association with the watch when I made that MWF post -- I was just an idiot and bought it too early because, well, I made a mistake. At least, I think so. When I later made my post here on Chronocentric about the same watch (see: http://www.chronocentric.com/forums/heuer/index.cgi?md=read;id=86815), I said at the end that I had already purchased the watch (at the beginning of the post it says I was looking into purchasing but that was a typo and I didn't realize I couldn't edit here since I was new). I hope this clarifies that point.
I'm still new to dealing with bunds, and thought I was prepared after researching the Walter Manning article and previous MWR posts. Still, I didn't realize how many plausible explanations there were for all of these variants... it's a little exhausting.
At the same time, I do not intend to scam or mislead anyone. I have raised concerns about the dial to those who reached out to me expressing interest in the watch. I recently told someone who reached out to find my Chronocentric post as well (not the for sale post, but the authenticity check). Still, I understand your point and will be more transparent from the beginning in potential future ads.
I'm still new to selling and collecting in general, and don't think I really thought this through as well as I should have. I know it's not really an excuse, but I am still learning the ropes. Either way, I do admit I could have handled this better. If there's a next time, you bet I'll be better from the get go.
I am sorry again for wasting space and time here, and thanks for being honest.
: The problem isn't that the watch is for sale despite the concerns
: Heuer enthusiasts have raised over the dial's authenticity, it's
: that you've gone out of your way to avoid disclosing
: these concerns you and others have publicly voiced on forums.
: Because you misrepresented your association with the watch and
: asked for opinions about it on the MWF and elsewhere, you
: prompted in-depth and frank opinions from members regarding the
: dial. They publicly advised you not to purchase the watch due to
: the dial's questionable legitimacy.
: The way you've gone about listing it from one place to another fits
: the profile of seller trying to avoid scrutiny over the
: potential sale of a watch that he also believes to not be
: completely authentic. Listing it on a forum after members
: advised you not to purchase it would make people question your
: honesty. This is probably why you've listed it on eBay now. The
: only reason you disclosed the flawed dial here and now on eBay
: is because you were called out for not doing so to begin with.
: Saying you forgot to mention doubt's about the dial in your eBay
: listing further drives the point you're trying to unload a piece
: you've little confidence in. What you ask for the watch or
: accept for it is up to you. Despite that you claim the original
: seller claims the watch is completely authentic, given the
: concerns still being raised over the dial and your inconsistent
: history in trying to unload it- buyer beware or better yet avoid
: purchasing it all together.