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Thank you for this excellent review. This will be very helpful, when I start on the task of updating our Price Guide.
A question, please: What is your assumption about condition? Are you generally describing prices for mint / near mint / very good / average / etc.? As an example, let's look at the most common of these Autavias, the Viceroy. You say 1,000 Euro, but I believe that this must be for an average model, showing some normal wear. I see the near mint / true mint at the $2,500 level (say 1,700 Euro); with the ones at customary "used" condition at the 1,000 Euro level. My suggestion of $2,500 for near mint / mint Viceroy is based on actually experience of selling one; with some patience, offers of $2,250 to $2,500 were received with some regularity.
Second question: how do you value true NOS Autavia 11630 P, in box on original bracelet . . . true NOS, from the dealer who had it in the case these past 30 years?
Thanks again for the excellent message.
Jeff
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: First of all: Happy New Year. to all OTD members !
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: First impression 2009: markets are very dry in Autavia's:
: especially in MINT/NOS watches.
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: For prices over 2009:
: **Autavia Sifferts have reached a flat plateau of 3-3500 Euro. With
: watches in good-very good conditions selling at 3000 euro
: currently. We saw many sifferts this years: I would say 15 I
: have seen at least: not many at ebay: most of them here and
: others on professional auction companies
: **PVD watches: the silver PVD is going at 1500 Euro in MINT
: conditions (2 examples recently); the black and green Autavia is
: still extremely scarce this year with only 2 examples black and
: one in green seen. Price for USED oney are at 1400 euro; Mint I
: have not seen any: guess the auction one PVD green for 1800 euro
: but this auction in my eyes was not so much known to public.
: **GMT's get good prices at 2000-2400 Euro; the NOS one was higher
: sure; GMT's seem to have improved consiberatelly after beeing
: down to 1500-1600 euro in 2008. The 11063 V GMT seems to be
: highly collectable MINT at 2300-2500 euro. I saw 2-3 examples
: good: but all subject to upcoming (heavy) restoration work and
: still banana high prices.
: ** VIC'S we saw many, many, many: people seem to get rid of the
: normal watches first if a crisis starts: the Vics range at about
: 1000 euro (incl brace) after they dropped down to 750-800 euro
: by mid of 2009
: ** REAL so called "Dereck Bells" seem to be hard to find.
: A lot of put togethers on the market. Even Vics are called Bells
: now.
: **orange 11630: Very very hard to find in 2009 I dont know one
: single watch dealed in very good to MINT conditions
: **silver dial 11630: 1500 Euro (dopped from 2000+)
: **diver100: still good prices at 3000-3500 euro but high peaks at
: 4000 euro as in 2008 not achieveable currently: the diver100
: numbers are still low in my eyes: many watches are making their
: way through different collectors: HERE a DATABASE for Registery
: is absolutelly necessary.
: **11063V: saw a NOS one this year for high price. For the rest this
: watch ranges at 1300-1350 euro max currently
: **skippers: range at 1000-1200 euro for the 11063 case version
: **Regattas: extremely low at 600-800 euro: even with box and being
: near NOS
: **red flagged heuer boxes: have dropped to 300-350 euro
: **autavia bracelets range all at 300-350 euro now (coming from 450
: Euro). They are very hard to find as single accessory:
: especially MINT and original.
: **60's Autavias seem to loose more and more track: both in prices
: but also in being in collectors focus. Sure "Rindt like
: watches" would go high: but I have not seen new example in
: 2009
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: Highlights for me in 2009
: - I have seen 3 original Autavia Sifferts: two sold; one still in
: first owners hand
: - NOS GMT 11630
: - GMT with Argentinian Airfoce logo on back: first one seen with an
: GMT watch
: We saw many people opening their own homepage for Heuer: think now
: we should thinking on pooling them in a good way.
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: Trend 2010
: number of traded watches will be low: in begin of the crisis we saw
: heavy trade traffic: now that we have traded stuff among us it
: stopped naturally.
: as in 2009 the number of watches in forgotten drawers will be low.
: think the times of forgetten stuff in cellars are defenitelly
: over: you see this with watches but also other collectors stuff
: on ebay: ebay is already a platform for 97% new stuff: so jeffs
: comment on selling pages like OTD or other auction pages is
: right.
: as in 2009 we will see an ongoing heavy trade of Autavia PARTS (and
: other heuer parts). For me this underlines that there are many
: "good-only" watches outside which need to be tuned
: into very-good to Mint examples.
: The big question is: where are all the MINT autavia examples?:
: think still in collectors hands. Will the prices go up in 2010?:
: I dont think so: they will remain flat if we can prevent another
: shock like AlKaida or Economy for the upcoming time. Collectors
: only will sell if they have to sell. This will also remain for
: (hopefully) better economic times in future: I believe/hope than
: people will try to buy what they can get: but markets will
: remain dry for sure.
: Conclusion. If you find a MINT or NOS Autavia example in 2010 : BUY
: IT.
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: ape
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