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Re: Monaco noir
In Response To: Re: Monaco noir ()

Mark very interesting discussion points you are raising here !
The '1' at the end of the reference seems to stand for the pvd coated cases.
Also the Monza pvd and the Montreal pvd has a '1' at the end of their references.
I further think as you said the Monaco to be the first pvd coated case in the portfolio followed by the Carrera, Monza came end of 1975 and Montreal only in 1976.
Officially never sold it could be logic that the Monaco pvd served as a test watch, also the provinence of some of the Monacos pvd would underline that.
It would further explain why 50 % of the Monaco pvds we know are new old stock.

Cheers

Arno

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: Not sure if they went on sale or not. As you say Arno, they're not
: in brochures - I had a look through the pricelists I have too,
: as they are often a good place to find more obscure watches that
: don't make it to the catalogues, but nothing in there either.

: The reference on the sticker in this watch is quite interesting -
: unless I'm mistaken, it reads 74031 rather than the 74033
: of the steel watches? So it might come before their release,
: which the Monaco table has as 1974.

: Now, another introduction for 1974 was the PVD barrel Carrera
: 110.571 NC, so it looks as if the PVD Monaco predates the PVD
: Carrera (the serials are lower than I expect for 110.571s too).

: So we have PVD Carreras going on general sale shortly after these
: Monacos, and evidenced in brochures and price lists, whereas the
: Monaco isn't. I begin to wonder whether the Monaco was a proof
: of concept of PVD coating for Heuer, and the lessons they
: learned went forward into the Carrera. Given the coating
: technology of the time, it was almost certainly easier to coat
: an oval watch with round edges than a square one with sharp
: edges.

: There are a lot of detail similarities between the two watches:

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: Note the hands and the lume "stick" markers in
: particular.

: So, all speculation of course, but I think it entirely possible
: that the Monaco was a true prototype, evaluated by Heuer staff,
: friends, family etc (the reference line on the sticker appears
: to say "1 pce", i.e. "1 piece" rather than
: the serial number we expect) with maybe a few sold to the
: general public and the end result for public consumption was the
: Carrera rather than a Monaco. Having said that, it's not at all
: easy to find 110.571s either...

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