Just for clarification but a NOS example does not has to have a sticker on the back like my Siffert was.

: I like this discussion. NOS for me means: watch has even sticker on
: back and has best purple transport wax on case: this you find
: very seldom. Even I have seen these type of watches most of them
: has slight wear from storage: bracelet claps or box. I mean they
: where 99,9% but things like lume was sometimes old/discolord or
: the lume was broken in the hands even.

: MINT is hard to define: for me its more a stomach condition which
: is close to " minor usage" ect. also here you have
: many many shades ....

: For me personally a refurbished watch: MINT or NOS : I mean case
: refurbished is NOT MINT or NOS anymore. Even we all state MINT
: we should celarly indiacte that the case was rfurbished: most
: buyers think its invisible, but if you lift the bezel you most
: of the time see the refurbishment work on the bzel holder ring
: at the case.

: Interesting is also the discussion what very good or good means: I
: mean good is lower than very good and this lower than MINT.

: ape