i agee both terms are useless. i avoid any description of conditions in offers eg ebay. anyhow a refurbished case must be addressed. as well it should be addessed that the watch had no recent service. even original as term is often stressed.

: Ape,

: To me mint could not possibly indicate a refurbished watch. Can a
: coin which has been cleaned...even if it was mint before it was
: cleaned be mint...ABSOLUTELY NOT!

: Good and Very Good leave some room for discussion. Mint, in my
: opinion does not leave any...or at least not very much at all.

: BTW, I don't ever pay any attention to the terms NOS or Mint in
: eBay or other marketing descriptions. These terms may make a
: smile cross my face but they have been rendered practically
: useless these days.

: JohnCote