“I understand what was asked, and was my reply was.
I trust Jeff's assessment that the hands and bezel are suspect. I remember the many liberties taken by this seller to disguise parts as something they are not. I have seen too much to recommend anyone purchasing from him unless it's for parts they need. Even then I would have serious concerns about the origin of the parts. This seller reputation is less than stellar. “
This is what you said after I stepped in it .I mean stepped into the chat . But to the original question you said “

“elvirab is a well known Heuer faker. AVOID!!!”

Jeff says the hands are not genuine.
And I submit the seller is suspect in the instance of this watch.

Jeff , The southern gentleman lawyer that he is, said he did not look that closely at the listing and if you Chuck look at
the hands on any of the old Heuer Autavia’s in the “ Onthedash” the hands are the same .

Dial legs can be relocated by a skilled individual. Such skill is well within the sphere of this seller's capabilities or those who he is in contact with regularly.
Dial legs are arced on and the dial has to be repainted because it burns the face of the dial.

I believe the task of reforming this seller is about on par to trying to reform a compulsive liar. I'm not sure it's possible. After what he's done in the past and the tricks he's employed in plying his warez, I honestly don't believe the infinitesimal chance of reformation is worth the effort and resources required to seriously try.
But if you wish to try, more power to you. But sometimes the winning move is to not play with certain people.

I'm hoping that you are a watch expert and not the governor with the hot line to the electric chair . Just LOL .

I bow to your largesse on this one because the bezel is from a Seiko !

But!!!!

But sometimes we get so angry and set on the kill we loose sight of what is really happening .
I was/am not angry. I'm not "set on the kill".
I stated a fact, the seller is a known seller of fakes. And I've suggested researching what has been reported.
But!!!! The chap who found the Seiko Bezel just kept posting and posting and….. a right and left and an other left !!!
LOL
LB

PS your suggestion about research on my part does not require an answer does it? You should read the posting more , and cut and paste less !
Now was a nice bit of fun ! Wasn't it !!
Cheers
LB

: Hello Chuck and Jeff LB,

: You guys are my hero's Oh gosh! No! ;-)

: but again I must point out that the original
: question was if it was fake , not , does
: this guy screw "onthedash" members
: of ebay . I could have gone to the
: trouble documenting all of the things that
: have been said about ELVIRAB and the various
: alias's he's used. But I figured it would
: take several hours (at least 6-8) for me to
: pull together all of the pictures, postings,
: email messages and replys and then to
: massage them into a cohesive step by step
: lawyer-ly prosecution of this fellow.

: This guy deals in fake watches. This guy deals
: in Frankens. This guy fakes parts. This guy
: takes plain parts and engraves (or has
: engraved - he might not physically do the
: engraving) Heuer logo's on parts. I don't
: trust this seller as far as he could throw
: me (and I'm John Candy Sized)

: Thus far everyone who has come into contact
: with this seller and then talked to me has
: come away with a sad and angry tale to tell.

: This is like the story of the boy who cried
: wolf.... However instead of crying wolf,
: this individual is selling fake watches, he
: has created such a reputation of ill-will
: that when a watch comes along that looks
: like it only has bad hands and a bad bezel,
: people don't care. They've learned not to
: trust the source. I don't trust the source
: of this watch, I don't trust the watch.

: To me the chance that it is 100% completely
: genuine is very low especally when one
: considers who is standing behind it.

: The bezel is the only thing suspect in this
: watch . Jeff says the hands are not
: genuine.

: And I submit the seller is suspect in the
: instance of this watch.

: The 2446 series used 7730 as well as 7736
: (all the 773somethings are based on the 7730
: with the same parts hands etc… ) and they
: all have the same hands (Including this
: watch ) . Jeff says the Time of day
: hands are not genuine. I trust Jeff on this
: one.

: The watch in question has the same hands that
: are on the 3 register 2446c . This is
: not a 3-register 2446c.

: The dial is not a repaint and the legs for
: the 7730 are in a different place from the
: 7734 ( very common ) so it is not a Franken
: dial movement combo . Dial legs can be
: relocated by a skilled individual. Such
: skill is well within the sphere of this
: seller's capabilities or those who he is in
: contact with regularly.

: The snap back and 7730 used in the early
: Autavia's were made after the Heuer Leonidas
: merger so the bridge is correct as well as
: everything it touches . So that brings us
: back to the bezel . I'm only guessing here
: but I think that the Argentine Air Force
: didn't put a white arrow on the dial like
: the British ( they don't like each other )
: Explaining why a bezel is on a Argentine's
: watch based on an Argentine Military Hunta's
: land grab to try to rally domestic support
: for it's policys, and so they would use a
: different bezel than the Brits?

: That is novel. Hey, I suppose it's possible.

: and the bezel might be just for them . BUT
: I'm only Guessing!! I would say that it
: is a reach. In fact I'd say that it is a
: r___e___a___c___h. But you're only guessing
: and no one had advanced a better theory!

: Again I think you guys at
: "onthedash" are great and this is
: a valuable resource !! I use it to find
: bastard Heuer Frankens and make them one
: again ( for my personal collection ) . And I
: did say to Chuck " I hear You !"
: which may be a colloquialism and it means I
: know what you are saying and I agree ! But
: sometimes we get so angry and set on the
: kill we loose sight of what is really
: happening . I also said ‘But by all
: means feel free to go ahead and purchase
: from this seller, perhaps you'll have better
: luck than everyone else who has.’

: I don't trust seller, I don't trust his wares,
: hence my advice.

: Could the onthedash page have reformed this
: thief ? If so the world is a better place !
: I believe the task of reforming this
: seller is about on par to trying to reform a
: compulsive liar. I'm not sure it's possible.
: After what he's done in the past and the
: tricks he's employed in plying his warez, I
: honestly don't believe the infinitesimal
: chance of reformation is worth the effort
: and resources required to seriously try.

: But if you wish to try, more power to you.
: But sometimes the winning move is to not
: play with certain people.

: See Ya Rock on! Good Hunting!

: LB

: -- Chuck

:

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